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Cinematic Narrative / Turned On
« Last post by tedg on July 27, 2015, 10:06:29 AM »
After some delays, we are accepting members to the forum. Please send a request. I have to approve it.

Then the private areas will be available with our designs and plans for your critique.
Cinematic Narrative / Re: What redframer is
« Last post by tedg on October 16, 2014, 12:40:49 PM »
I'm going to close registrations here until I get some images to show. We have these of course in various stages of design. But I'd like to have what we show here reflect the most recent thinking. But to the question,

We expect to have prefab scrubber files for a number of movies. I am building a collection for this and have hired someone to help make scripts to process these toward a demo. In the full up system, we'd have made this investment, so let's say we have 20,000 films registered at launch.

A new session would begin at a home page not yet designed. There, in some sort of economical dialog with the system, you would select what to see next. If you just wanted to see that episode, there would be a search facility probably like any other, say IMDb.

You could also choose not to start with a film at all, but see instead an essay that someone put together on their theory that Drogon is manipulating events (and may the actual narrator). Or you could start with any idea and see what the system assembles for you.

But suppose you wanted that episode. You would have the scrubber open, loaded with the visual, subtitle and synopsis information for that film. There would also be some markers of annotations. But since there may be thousands of annotations that folks made, you'd only see a manageable number, say 300. These would be determined either by you letting us directly know what interests you, or the system making the selection for you, based on what it knows you like.

You aren't particularly interested in the nude shots per se, or quotable lines, or comments about set design influence, by you are interested in looking at how different directors have handled different episodes in terms of camera placement.

To directly answer, there will be a scrubber for that episode, and one each for all the others that the links would have you skip through to contrast different shots. You may also browse other projects each director managed, the system guiding you to similar setups and moves.

Suppose you wanted to make a mashup of what you found because others could be interested. You can do that too, creating Jake's mashup of racked pullbacks by Alex Graves. Possibly the system might do this after you leave, combining with similar insights by others to create something interesting on the fly for another visitor.

She might be interested in how the women are photographed to convey their characters and how that is reinforced by the score, which in this series is engineered by a specialty house famous for this.

So stand by. We won't do examples until we get images of the basics done.

And sorry for inviting you before we had these. I can see how confusing it might be.
Cinematic Narrative / Re: What redframer is
« Last post by jaked on October 14, 2014, 11:09:37 PM »
Let's say, at some point in the future, I go the redframer website with the intention of annotating something concerning a scene in Game of Thrones (let's say season 3 finale).

How do I get this episode to show up on the scrubber. Or is there a specialized scrubber for the specific episode?

This is where I am a bit lost. I think the problem for me is visualizing the scrubber, and understanding how much of the episode is there.
Cinematic Narrative / Re: What redframer is
« Last post by tedg on October 14, 2014, 07:27:29 PM »
I really need to illustrate this with diagrams or we won't get very far.

The simple parts of the scrubber are ordinary. There is a bar that goes the length of the window and represents the length of the movie. The movie (in the initial case) has frames extracted from every second. We have a location above the scrubber bar where these frames (at 300 pixels high) are displayed.

The sequence of frames stands in for the video. Moving the cursor along the bar selects which frame is displayed. If we are allowed, clicking a control in the displayed frame will play the movie in that frame from that location in the film.

All this is ordinary as I say. There is a 200 pixel high area between the two where some novel magic happens. This also is the area where you can mark sequences. If all this is unclear, wait a bit until I get some images together.

The "composed and displayed" bit:

We should have built scrubbers for a large number of films at launch. These are simple in that they display the film as it was made, plus all the annotations that are anchored on it by users.

But users can create their own "film" by selecting and concatonating segments. They can do this in redframer or in any editor. Plus a film need not be simply video pasted together; it can be any linear or linearized process that is expressible in media. So if I thought a certain sequence I went through to discover a connection between two films, I could create a scrubber version of that.

The scrubber versions of things are what we expect would be the sharable items.
Cinematic Narrative / Re: What redframer is
« Last post by jaked on October 14, 2014, 11:32:36 AM »
find and see a frame of the film in the context of ’seeing’ a large segment (using the short term memory of the optical nerve);

Good afternoon, Ted.

I am trying to make sure I understand this part. What is meant by a frame? A still? Also...

Multiple films and media can be composed and displayed in a single scrubber and/or multiple scrubbers can be displayed.

... Could you please elaborate "composed and displayed"? Thanks.
Cinematic Narrative / What redframer is
« Last post by tedg on October 13, 2014, 07:28:06 PM »
About redframer (I will fill this out with graphics and videos soon.)

redframer is a free web service; users come to contribute and explore information about long form film and TV. Users will have seen the film elsewhere, possibly with an allied, streaming partner.

A user can choose to browse information about a single film as shown in a novel scrubber. Multiple films and media can be composed and displayed in a single scrubber and/or multiple scrubbers can be displayed. Alternatively, users can focus on the annotations that are linked by visible lines to anchors in the scrubber and to information in other scrubbers, to other collections on the site and to off-site imported multimedia information. This display is highly flexible, being navigated as an essay, as a guided search with options or as conversations involving a virtual assistant.

In other words, users can browse information on the film (or on film mashups) or browse information snippets (as multimedia text) as composed by the system or opportunistically explored by the user. In short, redframer is a place that folks go to find out about film and to say something meaningful in collaboration with others in several ways. This is a web service, but native apps are planned and the system can feed existing social networks in two ways: the system can present as an online personality; and any user can share their scrubber-based composition in the same way they currently share video.

What makes redframer unique and exciting:

We take film seriously; you cannot write seriously about film without marking on the film itself in some way. Therefore, we have invented (and patented) a scrubber that allows a user to:
  • find and see a frame of the film in the context of ’seeing’ a large segment (using the short term memory of the optical nerve);
  • see an annotation in the context of both the film and other annotations to which it is related;
  • see and mark visual qualities, including spatial and cinematic effects;
  • share your scrubber constructions or discoveries using the social platforms of your choice.

We take long form metanarrative seriously too, so we have separately invented (and patented) a novel hypermedia environment. It allows a user to:
  • follow a linear multimedia narrative (like an essay) as composed by a user or the system, reading in the ordinary way;
  • alternatively at will, jump into an exploratory mode, using prior use as something like a search query to suggest new directions, even retroactively reinventing the essay;
  • easily explore and make connections, perhaps of subtle power;
  • zoom out from the detail and get a big picture of the connections involved in a specific session.

We deeply believe in situated collaborative narrative assembly. We are the implementors of situation theory, which allows a system to understand emotions, contexts and ambiguities: all the stuff that makes film and life interesting. Everyone has their own story; every movie does too.
  • redframer understands these and presents constructions, paths and structures that (optionally) are unique for you;
  • annotations, connections, assembly and even meaning change dynamically as your situation changes by some interaction, perhaps with others or with an exploratory choice;
  • essays and (search-like) suggestions are structured as narratives, using the narrative dynamics of the movie (or other narative) of interest;
  • everything is formed as long form narratives that bridge experience and understanding, just as the best art and parts of life do.

Income to support the business comes from pro (filmmaker) and superpro accounts (studios), where access to collected, anonymized analytics that inform what works in film and why.
Cinematic Narrative / Why this Forum Exists
« Last post by tedg on September 09, 2014, 07:01:33 PM »
We have ambitious plans for Many facets of that plan involve usage patterns, interfaces and underlying technologies that are new. We’d like to engage with some of our target audience to help get it right.

You’ll be able to participate in a possible revolution in collaborative narrative and spend time with others thinking about meaningful stuff.

This is by invitation only. Discussions will be private. You don’t have to understand everything to help guide a specific area, and in fact that could be better.

Please send email to if you are interested.
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